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Dr. Mikol Davis and Carolyn Rosenblatt, co-founders of AgingInvestor.comCarolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder Law Attorney offers a wealth of experience with aging to help you create tools so you can skillfully manage your aging clients. You will understand your rights and theirs so you can stay safe and keep them safe too. Dr. Mikol Davis, Psychologist, Gerontologist offers in depth of knowledge about diminished financial capacity in older adults to help you strategize best practices so you can protect your vulnerable aging clients. They are the authors of "Succeed With Senior Clients: A Financial Advisors Guide To Best Practice," and "Hidden Truths About Retirement And Long Term Care," available at AgingInvestor.com offers accredited cutting edge on-line continuing education courses for financial professionals wanting to expand their expertise in best practices for their aging clients. To learn more about our courses click HERE |
How Do You Advise Clients Who Plan To Self-Insure For Long Term Care?
How Do You Advise Clients Who Plan To Self-Insure For Long Term Care?
By Carolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder law attorney, AgingInvestor.com
Of course, your clients think they will never need long term care and they likely resist talking with you about it. Retirement planning is much more fun when you're discussing cash flow, travel and leisure, and being free from the responsibility of work. And then there's this thing called reality: retirement is not all fun.
Here at AgingInvestor.com, we offer you the benefit of our experience in dealing with countless families with aging folks among them. The adult children are our most frequent clients in our companion endeavor, AgingParents.com, and the stories they tell us are a jarring wake-up call for anyone. No one expects to need to be taken care of so no one wants to look at how frighteningly expensive it is.
For the moment, let's leave aside the issue of long term care insurance. (My husband and I bought it if that's an indication of what I think about the subject). Knowing that so few people bite the bullet and shell out those premium dollars, we are looking at the vast majority of clients who choose to self-insure against the risk of needing to pay for long term care. What are you telling them about this prospect? What do you say about their risks?
Here is one thing every advisor with a retirement-age client who chooses to self-insure should know: health status at retirement matters. A lot. Maybe you think that your client's health is not your business, as you're in the money management field. Maybe you see the health questions as being outside your area of expertise and you want nothing to do with the subject. It's personal after all. And so is running out of money and needing care.
Measuring risk in investment products is at the heart of your job. If you want to add true value to your client's engagement with you, an elementary look at the client's health status at retirement is also part of your job. There is a direct correlation between chronic health issues and the likely need for long term care. I do not suggest that you need to be an expert or have any health background. You need your two eyes, your ears, and your common sense to ask a few essential questions. Those questions and the answers will give you some solid ground to stand on when you talk with a client about planning for this potential expense and how likely it is that the client will need this care. They may or may not listen to you, but if you fail to give them the facts, you are not serving them well.
Here are some of the essential questions you need to bring up when you talk with them about retirement, the long view, living past 80, and how long their assets can be expected to last.
- How is your health, generally speaking? Do you have any chronic conditions like heart problems or diabetes?
- Do you smoke?
- Has any doctor ever given you any warnings about your health or what you should do differently now?
With your client's answers, you then can progress to the discussion about why he or she probably has a higher risk than someone else without that problem/ condition/smoking history of needing long term care. At least a third of our population will need to pay for it at some point in their lives. Those with chronic illness may have to pay for long term care for years and years. It would also be helpful for you to do some calculations for your client. This is the "just in case, let's imagine you have to pay for a helper at home" conversation.
If you feel awkward about how to bring this up, what questions to ask and how to talk about the dollars involved in long term care we can help you. Our newest book, Hidden Truths About Retirement & Long Term Care: The Guide For Financial Professionals is loaded with tips, sample scripts and all the costs of different kinds of long term care spelled out for you. Get your copy here today so you can put your mind at ease!
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Dr. Mikol Davis and Carolyn Rosenblatt, co-founders of AgingInvestor.comCarolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder Law Attorney offers a wealth of experience with aging to help you create tools so you can skillfully manage your aging clients. You will understand your rights and theirs so you can stay safe and keep them safe too. Dr. Mikol Davis, Psychologist, Gerontologist offers in depth of knowledge about diminished financial capacity in older adults to help you strategize best practices so you can protect your vulnerable aging clients. They are the authors of "Succeed With Senior Clients: A Financial Advisors Guide To Best Practice," and "Hidden Truths About Retirement And Long Term Care," available at AgingInvestor.com offers accredited cutting edge on-line continuing education courses for financial professionals wanting to expand their expertise in best practices for their aging clients. To learn more about our courses click HERE |
Three Things You Need To Know About “Out Of Pocket Medical Costs” In Retirement
You're trying to help the sixty-something clients plan for what they can anticipate spending for medical care in the future. You tell them about the average amounts a couple retiring at age 65 will need. The language seems fuzzy. Are you, the advisor, completely clear about what the term means when you say "out of pocket medical costs"?
That which is "medical" and what is paid by Medicare does not seem to be clear to many financial professionals we've interviewed. If you want to help your clients plan adequately for retirement, here are some critical points you need to make with them.
Medicare never paid for what it calls "custodial care". This is not medical care by Medicare's definition. It did not cover it in the past and it does not pay for it now. There is a distinct and very important difference between what it covers and what most people need over the long run in their retirement years. If your idea of "out of pocket medical costs" is hazy, let's clear it up right now. This is a list of things Medicare doesn't pay for, which just happen to be the most common things people need as they age. This is only a partial list.
Nursing home ("rehab") after a limited number of days. The maximum coverage depends not on how sick the client is, nor how much help they really need due to such disabling conditions as a stroke, nor how they feel. It depends solely on what the nursing home administration decides about whether they are continuing to make the right kind of progress. That progress must require skilled care which can be nursing, physical, speech or occupational therapy. There may be 100 days available for coverage, but this does not mean that all of it will be covered or that the person will get that much in the rehab facility. If it is decided that there is not enough progress, the person's care is termed "custodial" and they are cut off from Medicare.
Home Care. Millions of people who are released from a nursing home after surgery, an emergency or a fall, for example, need help at home either short term or long term. Medical events change us and can rob us of complete independence. There is a false belief around that Medicare will cover what you need if you have to have home care. This is true only for a very short time and only if skilled, licensed nurses or therapists are needed at home. Most of the time, a person is cut off from help when leaving a facility and has to pay for home care out of pocket. The national average hourly rate is $20, which can eat up one's assets quickly in a fairly short time frame.
Help at home to stay out of a care facility. A lot of folks think they'll live to be 100 years of age. No one discusses with them what it would mean to live that long without being completely independent. Help costs money. Many people assume that family or someone will take care of them if care is needed. But not everyone is willing to or capable to undertake what is often a serious burden. Even when family does take on caregiving, they need a break, and relief. Then help from outside must be hired. Without constant help many older people would have to be in a care facility. Does it make sense that when assets are largely all spent, Medicaid will pay for a nursing home but Medicaid will not pay for preventing the need for a nursing home, a far more economical alternative? Of course not, but that's how it works.
The Takeaways
Fully two thirds of us will need long term care at some point in our lives. Unless the client is the rare one with long term care insurance, there is no way to pay for long term care other than to do so out of pocket. Sometimes this depletes all the client's assets and leaves them with no choices in the last part of their lives. For those who live into their 90s and beyond, the need for some kind of long term care by family or a facility seems almost inevitable. Your clients need to stop pretending that it's not going to happen to them, and you, the professional must steer them in the direction of saving and anticipating this need as much as you can. They will resist! Keep trying. Educate yourself first. You can get all the facts and figures you need to have a wise conversation with your older clients in our new book, Hidden Truths About Retirement & Long Term Care. Get your copy now and start adding value to those retirement discussions with your clients.
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By Carolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder law attorney, AgingInvestor.com
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Dr. Mikol Davis and Carolyn Rosenblatt, co-founders of AgingInvestor.comCarolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder Law Attorney offers a wealth of experience with aging to help you create tools so you can skillfully manage your aging clients. You will understand your rights and theirs so you can stay safe and keep them safe too. Dr. Mikol Davis, Psychologist, Gerontologist offers in depth of knowledge about diminished financial capacity in older adults to help you strategize best practices so you can protect your vulnerable aging clients. They are the authors of "Succeed With Senior Clients: A Financial Advisors Guide To Best Practice," and "Hidden Truths About Retirement And Long Term Care," available at AgingInvestor.com offers accredited cutting edge on-line continuing education courses for financial professionals wanting to expand their expertise in best practices for their aging clients. To learn more about our courses click HERE |
Intrusion or Just Being Safe? Why You Need Closer Monitoring of Aging Clients
Most financial advisors with aging clients often find themselves in the dilemma of just how involved they should get when it comes to their clients. You talk with them for portfolio reviews, but what if they show signs of diminished capacity in those conversations? Should you meet with them to talk about it or just wait until "something happens"? A critical point that every financial advisor needs to know: if your older client shows signs of mental decline, something is already happening. You don’t have the luxury of waiting. Research makes it clear that the ability to manage finances is the first thing to go downhill when a person begins to develop Alzheimer's disease or other forms of dementia. There could be other reasons for cognitive decline too. Don't make the mistake of ignoring it.
At AgingInvestor.com we recently heard a story that reinforces the importance of staying vigilant for your aging clients. Penny is 93 and until recently, the professionals in her life saw no particular reason to be concerned about her mental status. She was usually clear in conversation. Her accountant thought she was ok but failed to see mistakes and changes. But Penny was managing seven separate real estate investments and no one in her family, particularly her son, was helping her. Her son may have thought she was fully capable. She had been successful for decades. No one anticipated that she might become impaired late in life. But then her lawyer, living in a different city, wanted her to sign a document and have it notarized. She got confused and insisted that it be done incorrectly. The document came back a mess. Her lawyer did not heed these red flags that something was wrong and thought Penny was probably ok. He attributed the error to "normal" forgetfulness. Forgetfulness is a warning sign that closer monitoring of the older person needs to start right away.
Penny’s son eventually got her to a doctor who wrote a letter with the opinion that Penny was no longer able to manage her personal and financial affairs. Her son began taking over managing the property but was not prepared for what he found. Of the seven real estate holdings, five had IRS liens! One had become uninhabitable, the tenant had moved out and was billing Penny for the hotel stay, waiting for the home to be fixed. Penny had failed to pay the property taxes for several years.
Penny is a good example of a senior who is generally pretty clear but is definitely not able to handle complex finances any longer. The process of her cognitive decline did not happen overnight. It took several years. During that time she endangered her assets, lost track of her finances and could have lost most of her real estate to tax liens. Warning signs happened but no one paid attention to them.
Could this be prevented? Of course. Had her financial advisor kept a better eye on all of Penny’s assets, not just her stock account, he could have noticed the problem and contacted her son. The point is that wealthy clients may have assets you do not manage but also provide income. It is good practice to ask about all of your client's holdings. Penny's failure to pay property taxes and allowing the houses to fall into disrepair should have been seen by those close to her. Paying attention to those telltale signs of decline, which an alert advisor would have noticed, should have triggered reaching out to Penny's trusted contact person. Working with your clients' families is key to protecting their financial safety. Learn more about successful family meetings at AgingInvestor.com.
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Dr. Mikol Davis and Carolyn Rosenblatt, co-founders of AgingInvestor.comCarolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder Law Attorney offers a wealth of experience with aging to help you create tools so you can skillfully manage your aging clients. You will understand your rights and theirs so you can stay safe and keep them safe too. Dr. Mikol Davis, Psychologist, Gerontologist offers in depth of knowledge about diminished financial capacity in older adults to help you strategize best practices so you can protect your vulnerable aging clients. They are the authors of "Succeed With Senior Clients: A Financial Advisors Guide To Best Practice," and "Hidden Truths About Retirement And Long Term Care," available at AgingInvestor.com offers accredited cutting edge on-line continuing education courses for financial professionals wanting to expand their expertise in best practices for their aging clients. To learn more about our courses click HERE |
