Three Things You Need To Know About “Out Of Pocket Medical Costs” In Retirement

Three Things You Need To Know About “Out Of Pocket Medical Costs” In Retirement

You're trying to help the sixty-something clients plan for what they can anticipate spending for medical care in the future. You tell them about the average amounts a couple retiring at age 65 will need. The language seems fuzzy. Are you, the advisor, completely clear about what the term means when you say "out of pocket medical costs"?

That which is "medical" and what is paid by Medicare does not seem to be clear to many financial professionals we've interviewed. If you want to help your clients plan adequately for retirement, here are some critical points you need to make with them.

Medicare never paid for what it calls "custodial care". This is not medical care by Medicare's definition. It did not cover it in the past and it does not pay for it now. There is a distinct and very important difference between what it covers and what most people need over the long run in their retirement years. If your idea of "out of pocket medical costs" is hazy, let's clear it up right now. This is a list of things Medicare doesn't pay for, which just happen to be the most common things people need as they age. This is only a partial list.

 Nursing home ("rehab") after a limited number of days. The maximum coverage depends not on how sick the client is, nor how much help they really need due to such disabling conditions as a stroke, nor how they feel. It depends solely on what the nursing home administration decides about whether they are continuing to make the right kind of progress. That progress must require skilled care which can be nursing, physical, speech or occupational therapy. There may be 100 days available for coverage, but this does not mean that all of it will be covered or that the person will get that much in the rehab facility. If it is decided that there is not enough progress, the person's care is termed "custodial" and they are cut off from Medicare.

Home Care. Millions of people who are released from a nursing home after surgery, an emergency or a fall, for example, need help at home either short term or long term. Medical events change us and can rob us of complete independence. There is a false belief around that Medicare will cover what you need if you have to have home care. This is true only for a very short time and only if skilled, licensed nurses or therapists are needed at home. Most of the time, a person is cut off from help when leaving a facility and has to pay for home care out of pocket. The national average hourly rate is $20, which can eat up one's assets quickly in a fairly short time frame.

Help at home to stay out of a care facility. A lot of folks think they'll live to be 100 years of age. No one discusses with them what it would mean to live that long without being completely independent. Help costs money. Many people assume that family or someone will take care of them if care is needed. But not everyone is willing to or capable to undertake what is often a serious burden. Even when family does take on caregiving, they need a break, and relief. Then help from outside must be hired. Without constant help many older people would have to be in a care facility. Does it make sense that when assets are largely all spent, Medicaid will pay for a nursing home but Medicaid will not pay for preventing the need for a nursing home, a far more economical alternative? Of course not, but that's how it works.

The Takeaways

Fully two thirds of us will need long term care at some point in our lives. Unless the client is the rare one with long term care insurance, there is no way to pay for long term care other than to do so out of pocket. Sometimes this depletes all the client's assets and leaves them with no choices in the last part of their lives. For those who live into their 90s and beyond, the need for some kind of long term care by family or a facility seems almost inevitable. Your clients need to stop pretending that it's not going to happen to them, and you, the professional must steer them in the direction of saving and anticipating this need as much as you can. They will resist! Keep trying. Educate yourself first. You can get all the facts and figures you need to have a wise conversation with your older clients in our new book, Hidden Truths About Retirement & Long Term Care. Get your copy now and start adding value to those retirement discussions with your clients.

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By Carolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder law attorney, AgingInvestor.com

 

Dr. Mikol Davis and Carolyn Rosenblatt, co-founders of AgingInvestor.com

Carolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder Law Attorney offers a wealth of experience with aging to help you create tools so you can skillfully manage your aging clients. You will understand your rights and theirs so you can stay safe and keep them safe too.

Dr. Mikol Davis, Psychologist, Gerontologist offers in depth of knowledge about diminished financial capacity in older adults to help you strategize best practices so you can protect your vulnerable aging clients.

They are the authors of "Succeed With Senior Clients: A Financial Advisors Guide To Best Practice," and "Hidden Truths About Retirement And Long Term Care," available at AgingInvestor.com offers accredited cutting edge on-line continuing education courses for financial professionals wanting to expand their expertise in best practices for their aging clients. To learn more about our courses click HERE

The Gaping Hole In Retirement Planning: What Are You Missing?

The Gaping Hole In Retirement Planning: What Are You Missing?

Most financial professionals see themselves doing fine in helping their clients plan ahead for retirement. And their clients are probably in for a nasty surprise no one is talking about. The professionals have done the calculations, used the algorithms, had the conversations about their clients' goals. You may have forgotten something. Are you missing the elephant in the room: long term care?

At least a third of your clients are going to need it at some point. We're not talking about nursing home care here. We're talking about all the other out of pocket costs clients are not considering but that they will likely need as they age. Think about longevity today. Both men and women will probably live into their 80s at least. How many 85 year olds do you know who do not need any sort of help with anything in their lives? Not many, we'll bet.

As the body ages, it is harder to see, hear, get around physically, drive, and manage households and finances. Help with all of those things is actually an out of pocket cost we consider to be long term care. Medicare calls it "custodial care". That means all the kinds of support an aging person needs to stay out of a nursing home. The actual cost of a nursing home is another discussion altogether. When we talk about custodial care here we mean help with bathing, dressing, walking, eating, getting to the bathroom and getting out of bed onto a chair and back. These are called "activities of daily living" or ADLs. We are also talking about help with shopping, cooking, paying bills, cleaning the house and doing laundry. These are called "instrumental activities of daily living" or IADLs.

Your clients don't want to think about needing help. In this country, we insist on believing that we will always be independent--it's embedded in our culture and myths about aging. But those myths are not true. Independence declines with age for most of us. And help is expensive.

Consider that the averages you hear about do not address this at all when it comes to retirement planning. "The average couple age 65 will spend (fill in the blank here, anywhere from $265,000 to $400,000) on out of pocket medical expenses." OK. Custodial care is NOT medical care. Medicare does not cover it. Health insurance, including Medigap coverage does not pay for it. Who then does? Some long term care insurance policies cover some of it, with restrictions. Otherwise, it's all an out of pocket non-medical cost your client will have to cover. Imagine the costs when you calculate the "burn rate" of their retirement funds. Didn't factor that in? It's time for a second look at the plan.

if you have no idea how to calculate this or what your client's chances are for needing to pay for any kind of long term care, you can learn the basics and the costs in our newest book. Get the facts quickly that will help you in Hidden Truths About Retirement and Long Term Care: The Financial Advisors' Guide. Order your copy by clicking HERE.

 

Dr. Mikol Davis and Carolyn Rosenblatt, co-founders of AgingInvestor.com

Carolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder Law Attorney offers a wealth of experience with aging to help you create tools so you can skillfully manage your aging clients. You will understand your rights and theirs so you can stay safe and keep them safe too.

Dr. Mikol Davis, Psychologist, Gerontologist offers in depth of knowledge about diminished financial capacity in older adults to help you strategize best practices so you can protect your vulnerable aging clients.

They are the authors of "Succeed With Senior Clients: A Financial Advisors Guide To Best Practice," and "Hidden Truths About Retirement And Long Term Care," available at AgingInvestor.com offers accredited cutting edge on-line continuing education courses for financial professionals wanting to expand their expertise in best practices for their aging clients. To learn more about our courses click HERE

Know The Pros and Cons Of Assisted Living For Your Older Clients

Know The Pros and Cons Of Assisted Living For Your Older Clients

Mostly at the urging of their adult children, many seniors choose to move to senior communities where some help is available. These are usually called Assisted Living facilities (AL). When it is too difficult to keep up the family home or an elderly client of yours becomes too isolated after the loss of a spouse, AL can be a good choice.

No doubt you, the financial advisor have helped them consider the expense and the consequences or benefits of selling the family home. And they likely would not move if they could not afford the monthly cost of being in AL. However, there are things every advisor should know about AL so you can properly advise your clients.

The marketing departments of these homes can be very aggressive about promoting the benefits of AL. Indeed may of them are well appointed and have numerous convenient amenities. What they don't tell you are the hidden disadvantages. Having interfaced with many of these facilities in our work at AgingParents.com and AgingInvestor.com as consultants to families, we want you to be fully informed of what they can and can't do.

First, AL homes are not nursing homes, and they do not provide nursing or health care. If there is a nurse on staff at all, which is not required of any of them, the nurse is there to evaluate residents' suitability, hear resident concerns, consult with staff and make referrals. It is not to provide direct care, even in an emergency. The nurse in such a facility, seeing an emergency, will call 911, just as any layperson might do.

These homes are not licensed to offer health care. Assistance with things like bathing, dressing, walking, bathroom, eating and getting in and out of bed are the limit of the help they can provide.

Next, these homes do not provide full staffing at night. If your client is forgetful or wanders around at night and her family shares this with you, AL may not be the best choice. Some people hire additional help privately to watch their loved ones in AL more closely, especially at night and this arrangement can work well. However, it is a significant additional expense and must be paid on top of the regular monthly charges of assisted living. We know of one resident whose family was spending $12,000 a month for the combination of AL and outside supplemental caregiving.

Finally, any home whether it is AL or any other place where care is delivered should be held accountable for the safety of your client who may become a resident there. No one is going to check on your aging client every hour in AL. Falls can happen anywhere, including a so-called "supervised environment". The concept of AL was originally meant to give all levels of care but today that is not the case. The law requires separate licensing of any unit or facility that offers skilled nursing. Even when it is given on the same campus as AL, skilled nursing facilities are a separate entity from AL.

If you are talking to any client about the possibility of AL, be sure that your client is educated and that the family does not have unrealistic expectations of AL. The expense of these places is one consideration. The overall plan for the future of taking care of a client's needs is another. Help your client be a wise consumer.

 

Dr. Mikol Davis and Carolyn Rosenblatt, co-founders of AgingInvestor.com

Carolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder Law Attorney offers a wealth of experience with aging to help you create tools so you can skillfully manage your aging clients. You will understand your rights and theirs so you can stay safe and keep them safe too.

Dr. Mikol Davis, Psychologist, Gerontologist offers in depth of knowledge about diminished financial capacity in older adults to help you strategize best practices so you can protect your vulnerable aging clients.

They are the authors of "Succeed With Senior Clients: A Financial Advisors Guide To Best Practice," and "Hidden Truths About Retirement And Long Term Care," available at AgingInvestor.com offers accredited cutting edge on-line continuing education courses for financial professionals wanting to expand their expertise in best practices for their aging clients. To learn more about our courses click HERE

How Much Should You Plan On For Retirees’ “Out of Pocket Medical Costs”?

How Much Should You Plan On For Retirees’ “Out of Pocket Medical Costs”?

How Much Should You Plan On For Retirees' "Out of Pocket Medical Costs"?

For those outside the caregiving world, there is a lot of confusion about this cost. Calculations abound in retirement planning circles for helping your clients ensure that they have enough for the things they are likely to need medically. The usual calculations outline Medicare Part A premiums (deducted from Social Security payments), Medicare Part B supplemental health insurance premiums, also called "Medigap" and for medication expenses, as some are not covered my Medicare. In plain English, this means that your client's Social Security is less to them when the Medicare payment comes out and they have to pay out of pocket for the other kind of insurance that covers outpatient care, clinic and doctor visits, as well as prescription meds.

OK what's wrong with these calculators? Can't you rely on them? I think for an unusually healthy person who is your client, one who needs little care and has no chronic illnesses, they would be fine. I'm not sure where the folks making up the calculations get their statistics but I think they grossly underestimate the real costs of out of pocket medical care in retirement.

From personal experience with thousands of elders I visited at home as a nurse over a career, I did not see much of the unusually healthy. What I did see was the average person then taking numerous medications, having multiple chronic conditions and being at risk for those getting worse with age. And now, decades later, we live longer, have more health risks as a result of greater longevity and we have to pay more for the problems that go along with living to be 100. We have better diagnostics and we can catch and treat conditions more. That means more out of pocket expenses for those exotic tests Medicare will not cover. That also means more and more drugs being prescribed to manage and control chronic illness. They work, but we pay. You would be amazed at what Medicare does not cover.

Here's the message I want every retirement planning advisor to heed: you cannot predict how much out of pocket medical expense your client will have unless you really know a lot about both their genetic disposition and their health habits and condition. And then it's only an educated guess. How educated are you?

We do know that the way we age is about 30% due to our genetics. The other 70% of the picture is directed by how we choose to live. That means what we eat, how much we move our bodies, how we manage stress, how we socialize and how we succeed or not in our relationships with others. All of these factors affect our health and longevity and consequently, how much it's going to cost to keep living with conditions like heart disease, diabetes, cancer, hypertension, arthritis, etc.

We haven't even touched on the subject of Alzheimer's disease. If you are calculating out of pocket medical I'll bet you never calculate what it costs to care for someone at home 24/7 with specialized skill for dealing with this devastating disease. It can last 20 years. Nursing home care and caring for a person with any serious illness at home is long term care. That is not in the calculations in those handy tables describing the out of pocket medical costs for an average couple retiring at the age of 65 and living to be 85.

Here's an example. Mort is 95. He has multiple health issues and early dementia. He can't do anything by himself. He has 4 caregivers in shifts every day in his home. He isn't sure he wants to keep going but he doesn't want to stop the numerous medications he takes to stay alive. It costs over $250,000 a year just for the caregivers, not for the other costs of housing, utilities, transportation via handicap van and such. And the out of pocket medical is still there. The dentist, the hearing aids, the medications that no insurance pays for, the stair lift, the ramp on the front of the house, the high-end wheelchair and more.

If you want to help your clients plan so they won't run out of assets, you'll need to be realistic. Lots of cash may need to be available at the later end of life. It is more likely than not. Forget reliance on a calculator or use one that has the highest number you can find. Then add on expenses like Mort's and you're on the right track.

Get a lot more detail on caregiving, costs of care and what is needed as we age in The Family Guide to Aging Parents: Answers to Your Legal, Healthcare and Financial Questions. Check it out here.

Carolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder law attorney & Dr. Mikol Davis, Gerontologist

AgingInvestor.com and AgingParents.com

 

Dr. Mikol Davis and Carolyn Rosenblatt, co-founders of AgingInvestor.com

Carolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder Law Attorney offers a wealth of experience with aging to help you create tools so you can skillfully manage your aging clients. You will understand your rights and theirs so you can stay safe and keep them safe too.

Dr. Mikol Davis, Psychologist, Gerontologist offers in depth of knowledge about diminished financial capacity in older adults to help you strategize best practices so you can protect your vulnerable aging clients.

They are the authors of "Succeed With Senior Clients: A Financial Advisors Guide To Best Practice," and "Hidden Truths About Retirement And Long Term Care," available at AgingInvestor.com offers accredited cutting edge on-line continuing education courses for financial professionals wanting to expand their expertise in best practices for their aging clients. To learn more about our courses click HERE

What Does It Really Mean to “Know Your Client”?

What Does It Really Mean to “Know Your Client”?

Every advisor understands that you are theoretically required to know your client. But does one or two contacts a year after you do retirement planning suffice? When it comes to aging clients we at AgingInvestor.com think it takes a lot more than that. Here's a real case that illustrates the problem with an advisor not really meeting this obligation.

Nigel is 80 and his wife, Berta is 84. Each had a large estate of separate property when they got married. Nigel owned a home in an expensive county and Berta had her own inheritance. They had had the same financial firm in a different state from where they now live for decades.

We got involved at the point of a desperate call from Nigel. His wife was being discharged from the rehab facility, he was told and he wasn't sure what to do. He had the means to pay for private care and that was what he wanted. I consulted with him at some length and asked about the medical records. He obtained them at my request. The news was not good. His wife was terminally ill and plans for how to manage her had not been discussed with anyone: not the doctors, not the rehab folks, no one.

A person's choices about care are driven largely by how much they have in assets that can be spent on care. I asked. He contacted his financial advisor and we all spoke together. There was plenty to cover the need, but at that point I learned that Nigel and Berta had never done any estate planning. No will, no trust, no beneficiary designation on any account naming the other as a recipient when one passed.

Where was the financial advisor in all this? Ignorant. Not involved in encouraging her clients to do what would benefit both of them. She apparently did not keep in touch with them, despite that Berta had been ill for over a year. She did not know that Berta was gravely ill and going into hospice care (comfort measures only for the terminally ill). She did not know that they were about to incur a daily cost for a private room in a well appointed nursing facility at a cost of $430 a day.

Scrambling to find an estate-planning attorney and get advice, we did accomplish what the advisor could have urged her clients to do long before this crisis. Nigel does not use a computer. The advisor emailed the power of attorney and beneficiary designation form to me and I ensured that it was signed and sent back. Now Nigel is on his wife's account, and can access her funds, should she lose consciousness. Why, I asked did this long time advisor not do this much earlier in the planning process? At least Nigel, who needs a trust for his estate, will now have one done, no thanks to any advice from his long time advisor.

Adding value for your clients takes more than the latest algorithm and getting the best returns. It takes knowing them, their life situations, the risks posed by aging and the skill to look at the anticipated expenses of care as clients near the end of the road. The nursing home cost for what Berta needs now is not covered by Medicare.

The simplest takeaway from this: contact your clients every six months if they are at retirement age. Keep in communication and know them, not just their assets. It's the least you can do.

Learn about the actual cost of care and how to help your clients with long term care planning in Succeed With Senior Clients: A Financial Advisor's Guide to Best Practices. Click here to download your copy today.

Carolyn Rosenblatt, R.N., Elder Law Attorney & Dr. Mikol Davis

co-founders of AgingInvestor.com and AgingParents.com