Three Tips For Talking To Your Older Clients About Long Term Care

Three Tips For Talking To Your Older Clients About Long Term Care

Three Tips For Talking To Your Older Clients About Long Term Care

When you look at an older client's portfolio, the biggest concern is probably about whether they have enough to last to the end.  You calculate the drawdown, the earnings, and you spend time on those figures.  But what about long term care?

This is the conversation the client doesn't want to have.  No one wants to think about being disabled or losing independence.

Of course, this is not realistic.  You, the planner may not want to bring up the subject because of your own discomfort, or because you aren't sure what to say, or perhaps because your client dismisses it if you do bring it up. But a competent planner and advisor must do so.

Consider this realistic typical scenario:

A health crisis happens to your client. It can be a fall, a stroke or heart attack, anything that is unexpected. First, there is a hospitalization.  OK, Medicare covers that, together with supplemental insurance. A rehab facility is next with therapy and nursing care.  Medicare covers that but only to a point. When the elder is ready for discharge, the client and family are told, sometimes a day or two beforehand, that they will have to get help for the aging loved one at home.  ”Doesn’t Medicare cover that?” they ask. Unfortunately, no, they are told.

The Cost 

So the family members and the client start scrambling to provide help at home. In some parts of the country the cost is about $30 per hour.  According to the Genworth 2015 Cost of Care study, the national median price for someone to provide help with bathing, dressing and walking or other hands-on home help is $20/hour.

When you do the math, you realize that even if your client needs just twenty hours a week at the average cost, it will add up to nearly $20,000 a year.  That is on top of other, non-covered medical expenses, such as physical therapy when Medicare stops paying, hearing aids, and many medications. And that is just the beginning.  Limited hours of home care often stretch into full time care as people  who have disabling conditions age.

Some people figure they can spend their assets and give things away so they can qualify for Medicaid.  I would not recommend Medicaid as the best way to get quality care.  First, one must be really destitute to qualify for it. And the state looks back at all financial transactions for a five year period in most states prior to the application to see what was going on, what transfers were made and if they were honestly done. Second, the care one receives under Medicaid is the most basic, may be of the lowest quality and typically is not what anyone really wants.

If you can prevent that choice, you will.  Your client could spend her last days in a three bed room in a dingy nursing home if she or anyone in her life thinks Medicaid is a fine way to pay for care.

The cost for quality care at home can be staggering.  In my own prosperous county, with a very high elder population, the cost of 24/7 care at home from non-nursing providers (home care workers) exceeds $200,000 per year.  That is on top of the ordinary costs of living a senior has, regardless of care. And she will still be paying her out of pocket costs for other things Medicare does not cover: many medications, other non-covered services, Medicare premiums, etc.

 Taking On The Long Term Care Discussion: Three things you should do

  1. You need to create a plan for how to pay for long term care in the future as part of your job of financial planning and retirement planning.  Your client is not likely to ask you about it. Do not wait to have these discussions. Cash for the unexpected need for care could be a major expense. Your client needs to know the facts and figures.  Most people grossly underestimate the costs. We have even seen financial industry publications naively state "Medicare pays for most things". It doesn't pay for what most people need to stay at home after any disabling condition arises.
  1. Educate your client about the likelihood of this need for future care.About 70% of people will need long term care in some form in their futures.  Failure to plan for it can bankrupt a person or leave them in serious debt toward the end of life. Or some investments could make cash inaccessible when needed.
  1.  Use resources to help yourself understand the real costs of home care, assisted living, and nursing home care.  In order to educate your client, you need to educate yourself first. The Genworth Cost of Care study is a good resource. Here at AgingInvestor.com, we also offer tools[1] to help you.  Be sure you have something to hand to and to discuss with your client.  The need is now for any retiree.

by Carolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder Law Attorney & Dr. Mikol Davis, Geriatric Psychologist

AgingInvestor.com

[1] The Family Guide to Aging Parents: Answers to Your Legal, Healthcare and Financial Questions, and Succeed With Senior Clients: A Financial Advisor's Guide To Best Practices and Working With Aging Clients, A Guide for Legal, Business and Financial Professionals. All 3 books are available at AgingInvestor.com and Amazon.com

 

Are Advisors Miscalculating Retirement Medical Costs?

Are Advisors Miscalculating Retirement Medical Costs?

Are Advisors Miscalculating Retirement Medical Costs?

According to CNN Money, a 65-year-old, healthy couple can expect to spend $266,600 on out of pocket costs for Medicare premiums in retirement. If that's the advice you give clients about what needs to be set aside for medical expenses you're missing some major facts.

Medicare premiums are a relatively small part of what it can cost when health issues arise as people age. No one likes to discuss the subject of possible cognitive impairment, but it has to be done. We see it as the financial advisor's responsibility to bring it up, include medical expenses in the overall financial plan and get the truth out on the table.

According to a Wealth Management article on August 30, 2016, Fidelity Investments did a survey of over 350 advisors and found that 96 percent felt unprepared to help clients who had Alzheimer's disease. This is in contrast to the reality that a person's chances of developing the disease are at least one in three from age 85 and above. And we are living longer than ever in history. More centenarians, more Alzheimer's.

What is the real cost of caring for a person with Alzheimer's? I interviewed a high end home care agency owner about this question. Many HNW people do not have long term care insurance as they plan to pay for whatever they need out of pocket. Most are not aware of the cost of best quality 24/7 care they could need with their own longevity. In our work at AgingInvestor.com, we have encountered this scenario and have seen what best quality care looks like. It's not your average home care agency.

The cost for caring for one person at home with Alzheimer's from that agency is $300,000 per year. The workers are specially trained and well supervised. A care manager develops a plan and the workers take their shifts, prepared to deal with all manner of difficult dementia-related behavior, including violent acts and words, wandering out the door, refusing to bathe as well as those who are unable to express themselves verbally any longer. Non-specialty home care agencies do not accept this degree of client behavioral difficulty out of fear of their workers being harmed.

The ultra HNW client can pay for these costs but for everyone else, the expenses incurred with care for a progressive disease that escalates in difficulty over time could be devastating. The cost of home care is in the category "long term care" an often poorly understood subject among those outside the health care and insurance fields.

If you have clients who are at retirement age or are retired, it is a necessity that you educate them about these risks to their savings. When you work with them on their plans, you need to include the possibility, very real, that one or the other of a retired couple could develop dementia and need expensive home care. If you think they should just go onto Medicaid, think again. Every state has different rules but in all states a person can't have much left in the way of assets and savings in order to qualify for Medicaid. And most importantly, people typically want to stay at home as they age. The quality of care they are likely to receive on Medicaid for long term Alzheimer's care is low, and likely to be in a nursing home. No one wants that!

The takeaways

  1. In developing retirement plans for clients consider the risk that your client may develop Alzheimer's disease or related dementia. Bring it up and talk about it.
  1. Plan for significant savings to be set aside in case care is needed, not just for Alzheimer's but for any long term condition or disabling illness requiring help. Use real numbers, not vague assumptions.
  1. Do not underestimate the real costs of caring for a person with this kind of dementia. It can last as long as 20 years. Do the math for your clients and show them what they would need to be cared for at home with a long term expensive illness like Alzheimer's.

The responsibility to know about long term care costs is yours. To learn more about Alzheimer's and how to spot the warning signs, get a free checklist to get you started at AgingInvestor.com.

Financial Advice Your Boomer Clients May Need

Financial Advice Your Boomer Clients May Need

Are you considering the issue of Boomers having to care for their aging loved ones in retirement? You've probably done a good job with helping clients be ready for retirement age, but every financial professional needs to consider a massive problem we now face. Our oldest old are living longer than anyone expected and they can run out of resources. Their adult children might have to care for, pay for or take in their aging parents.

Years before, the parent probably extracted a vow from the adult child your client, (typically a daughter) "promise you'll never put me in one of those homes".  And the daughter, without much thought replied, "Of course Mom. I'd never do that".  How time changes things.

The concept of "being put in a home" is vague, based on largely outdated notions our elders have of ugly warehouses for the poor, something conjured not just out of an English novel, but out of the way things once actually were in some places, long before Medicare and Medicaid existed to ensure at least some care for our elders. We did neglect older impoverished people and place them in poorly regulated homes.

Things are supposed to be better now, with the rise of public benefits, and government regulations over skilled nursing facilities, all designed to keep residents safe and in a somewhat dignified existence. The intended outcome of these regulations does not always meet reality. The cost of caregiving for all but the lowest income in our society is borne by the elders themselves if they have the funds or by their families if the parent has limited means.  .

Advisors may discuss with retirement-age clients that Medicare doesn't cover all the costs of medical treatment that clients themselves may need as they age. But few advisors have the foresight to ask their clients if they anticipate also having to pay the cost of care and out of pocket medical expenses for their parents too.

We have a 94 year old mother in law. She's in decent health, and has the means to cover what she needs now and in the future. We're among the fortunate ones. Years ago, we and my husband's parents made a joint investment that pays enough income for her, now widowed, to live on. She can cover health emergencies, home care, expensive medications and whatever downturns her health may bring. She has savings as well. This is not how it works for the average person in our country. Perhaps your clients are wealthy but their parents might not be.

Some folks solve the issue of what to do by bringing the aging parent into their homes and providing or paying for care themselves. This multi-generation household approach is a cost effective way to house an aging parent with limited resources and cover many expenses that would otherwise have to be borne by the elder who just might be low income by the time they reach the age of 94, like she did in my family.

Bringing in the aging parent to live with you is not a solution for everyone, but one worth considering. If you broach the subject with your Boomer clients, you can get them thinking about this. Longevity is increasing steadily and it is going to affect those whose parents live longer than anyone thought they would. The takeaway here is for you, the financial professional to ask them about it.

Here are some basic questions you should ask:

"Do you anticipate having to pay for support for anyone else during your retirement years? Are your parents living? How is their health these days? What would you do if they got low on funds and needed care? Have you thought about what it would cost to care for them?"

Learn more about how your clients need to discuss finances with their own aging family members at AgingInvestor.com in Succeed With Senior Clients, A Financial Advisor's Guide to Best Practices. You'll be doing a great service and prudent planning when you initiate the discussion they need to have.

Can Brain Images Tell You If Your Aging Client Can’t Handle Money Any More?

Can Brain Images Tell You If Your Aging Client Can’t Handle Money Any More?

The National Institute on Aging reports that scientists are using magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of the brain to explore the parts associated with money managing abilities. Can we actually see a picture of this?

The report cites neuropsychologist and lawyer, Dr. Marson. “It’s the $18.1 trillion problem,” said Daniel Marson, J.D., Ph.D., professor of neurology at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, citing an estimate of household wealth held by U.S. adults age 65 and older. “That money is at risk in part because of the cognitive disorders of aging.”

We don't have a way to pinpoint an exact spot in the brain that would tell us that a person is or is not competent with finances, but the report describes novel efforts using MRIs to find out more than ever about the brain and financial capacity. Changes in certain parts of the brain are linked to loss of financial capacity.

New techniques are providing intriguing data on why older adults—even those who were previously quite savvy about finances—may lose their money-managing abilities,” said Nina Silverberg, Ph.D., program director of the Alzheimer’s Disease Centers at NIA’s Division of Neuroscience.

What does this mean for you and your aging client?  It may be one more objective way to verify what you already suspect: that an older client is not savvy anymore when it comes to handling finances. The trick would be persuading a client to get this brain image if you and the family suspect that the client is in cognitive decline. We don't have the MRI techniques nailed down to verify loss of money making decisions, but that seems to be on the horizon.

Meanwhile, every advisor needs to be aware of the subtle signs of impairment in your client. An aging client who is in the earliest stages of Alzheimer's for example, is already moderately impaired for making safe money decisions. That means that you, a responsible advisor have in place a clear path to bringing in a surrogate decision maker to help that client. Part of that $1.8 trillion Dr. Marson mentions as being at risk is what is paying your fees. Take prudent steps to protect it.

Learn fast about spotting diminished capacity with our downloadable free checklist at AgingInvestor.com.

 

Watch Out For The Latest Tax Scam That Could Snare Your Aging Clients

Watch Out For The Latest Tax Scam That Could Snare Your Aging Clients


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Carolyn L. Rosenblatt, is a nurse and elder law attorney, along with blogging for Forbes.com and author of 4 books on aging. She is a co-founder of AgingInvestor.com and AgingParents.com
The Fraud Watch Network sent out a press release detailing a new and fast moving telephone scam targeting taxpayers across the country. As many of us are aware, our aging loved ones are quick to fall for these phone scams. Thousands of victims have already lost more than $1million.  Please caution your aging parents and others as well.

Here's how it works:

Fake IRS agents call taxpayers, claim they owe taxes, and pressure them with demands for payment using a prepaid debit card or a wire transfer. They threaten their targets with arrest, deportation or loss of a business or driver's license, said J. Russell George, Treasury inspector general for tax administration.

The fake agents mask their caller ID, making it look like the call is coming from the IRS. In some cases, even more frightening, fake agents know the last four digits of Social Security numbers.  They go so far as to follow up their targets with official-looking emails.

The reports about the scam describe how immigrants were targeted first, and threats of deportation were very effective.  It has since spread to thousands of other victims in most states.

Imagine your aging parent getting one of these calls.  Unsuspecting, intimidated and wanting to comply.  You, as the adult child with more of a fraud antenna might wonder why a supposed IRS agent would call you, as the IRS always communicates with a taxpayer via mail. Your aging loved one might not think of that.  When a second call comes in, once again with caller ID masked and faked to look like the police department or the Department of Motor Vehicles, it looks even more like the threat  of consequences for not paying is real.

What if your parent really does owe back taxes? They can call the  IRS directly at 1-800-829-1040 and get the truth.  The IRS never demands wire transfers or debit card payments nor do they use license suspension or deportation as a threat.

Most of us understand that when someone demands payment over the phone by wire transfer or debit card that you should simply hang up.  But not everyone knows this, particularly the 20,000 or so people who have been tricked so far with just this scheme.

So, keep your loved ones safe, especially your elderly family members. Warn them about this latest scam and follow up with questions as to whether they have gotten any calls like the ones described here, from anyone posing as an IRS agent. These scams escalate around tax time.

In consulting with families who have elderly loved ones as we do here at AgingParents.com, we often find that adult children want to believe that their parents are still competent and that such a thing could never happen to them because their parents are intelligent, or well educated, or they had work experience in finance, etc. But these clever scum with the fake IRS calls can probably fool even a smart, well educated person because the scheme gets past "filters" like caller ID and knowing the last digits of a person's Social Security number.  This is too scary to ignore.

Not only am I going to warn my 91 year old mother in law about this, but I'm going to ask her to tell all her friends at the seniors' community where she lives.  I'll let my own adult kids know about this scam too. I hope you will do the same.

Until next time,
Carolyn Rosenblatt
AgingParents.com & AgingInvestor.com